German minority in Slovenia continues to fight for recognition



For the “autochthonous minorities” (as they are called in the Slovenian minority statute) such as the Italians and Hungarians, Slovenia is not a bad country to live in. Excellent provisions in the core areas of minority protection and well-developed cultural autonomy have to be mentioned here. Of course the challenges are in the details. Cuts of 10% in budgets for the coming years were announced and in the case of territorial reforms of one municipality in the minority area the minority was not decisively involved in decision-making. Nevertheless for these two minorities Slovenia belongs to the top-countries in Europe.

In its report the Advisory Committee on the Framework Convention refers explicitly and repeatedly to the positive developments in regard to the Roma. That is very encouraging! As in all the states of Central and Eastern Europe the Roma are also in Slovenia the number one challenge. 14 Million people belong to one of the many Roma or Sinti-groups in Europe. Many of them are living under appalling living condition. Europe does not have a solution for this large group of its citizens, with their many problems.

Despite encouraging developments in Slovenia, the situation of the Roma especially in the Dolenjska region remains very problematic (no running water, no housing, discrimination, racism, etcetera).

The report furthermore criticises the lack of opportunity to complain against discrimination, the failure to implement existing legislation and the lack of will and rejection on the local and regional level to implement the minority provisions.

Additionally, there is one autochthonous minority in Slovenia that continues to be ignored and whose wish to be recognised is negated. This is the German minority (also called: German-speaking, old-Austrian, Gottschee Germans). This tiny group (according to Christoph Pan about 2,000 persons) has been trying to obtain recognition for its status as autochthonous minority for many years. Recently the minorities of Europe publicly criticised this situation at the FUEN-Congress of 2010 in Ljubljana and in the presence of Slovenian President Danilo Türk. But nothing has changed.

Another problem in Slovenia is the classification of “the people belonging to the new communities”. With these words not the immigrants or so-called “new minorities” are meant. No, these are those people who come from the republics of the former Yugoslavia and have been living in Slovenia for decades (for example Croats, Serbs, Albanians). These however are not recognised as minorities.

Ljubljana can be proud for its very far-reaching system of minority protection, especially the direct and special benefits for staff in institutions or in the judiciary who speak a minority language (they receive a bonus to their salary) are music to the ears of many representatives of minorities from other regions.

However, it remains a stain on the minority diploma of this small country that it is not able to agree on the not just symbolically very important recognition of its own autochthonous minority, the Germans.

Other resources:
Christoph Pan & Beate Sybille Pfeil: Minderheitenrechte in Europa. Handbuch der europäischen Volksgruppen. Bd. 2 (in German)


For the “autochthonous minorities” (as they are called in the Slovenian minority statute) such as the Italians and Hungarians, Slovenia is not a bad country to live in. Excellent provisions in the core areas of minority protection and well-developed cultural autonomy have to be mentioned here. Of course the challenges are in the details. Cuts of 10% in budgets for the coming years were announced and in the case of territorial reforms of one municipality in the minority area the minority was not decisively involved in decision-making. Nevertheless for these two minorities Slovenia belongs to the top-countries in Europe.

In its report the Advisory Committee on the Framework Convention refers explicitly and repeatedly to the positive developments in regard to the Roma. That is very encouraging! As in all the states of Central and Eastern Europe the Roma are also in Slovenia the number one challenge. 14 Million people belong to one of the many Roma or Sinti-groups in Europe. Many of them are living under appalling living condition. Europe does not have a solution for this large group of its citizens, with their many problems.

Despite encouraging developments in Slovenia, the situation of the Roma especially in the Dolenjska region remains very problematic (no running water, no housing, discrimination, racism, etcetera).

The report furthermore criticises the lack of opportunity to complain against discrimination, the failure to implement existing legislation and the lack of will and rejection on the local and regional level to implement the minority provisions.

Additionally, there is one autochthonous minority in Slovenia that continues to be ignored and whose wish to be recognised is negated. This is the German minority (also called: German-speaking, old-Austrian, Gottschee Germans). This tiny group (according to Christoph Pan about 2,000 persons) has been trying to obtain recognition for its status as autochthonous minority for many years. Recently the minorities of Europe publicly criticised this situation at the FUEN-Congress of 2010 in Ljubljana and in the presence of Slovenian President Danilo Türk. But nothing has changed.

Another problem in Slovenia is the classification of “the people belonging to the new communities”. With these words not the immigrants or so-called “new minorities” are meant. No, these are those people who come from the republics of the former Yugoslavia and have been living in Slovenia for decades (for example Croats, Serbs, Albanians). These however are not recognised as minorities.

Ljubljana can be proud for its very far-reaching system of minority protection, especially the direct and special benefits for staff in institutions or in the judiciary who speak a minority language (they receive a bonus to their salary) are music to the ears of many representatives of minorities from other regions.

However, it remains a stain on the minority diploma of this small country that it is not able to agree on the not just symbolically very important recognition of its own autochthonous minority, the Germans.

Other resources:
Christoph Pan & Beate Sybille Pfeil: Minderheitenrechte in Europa. Handbuch der europäischen Volksgruppen. Bd. 2 (in German)

Kommentare:

  1. "According article above that I quote: "Additionally, there is one autochthonous minority in Slovenia that continues to be ignored and whose wish to be recognised is negated. This is the German minority (also called: German-speaking, old-Austrian, Gottschee Germans). This tiny group (according to Christoph Pan about 2,000 persons) has been trying to obtain recognition for its status as autochthonous minority for many years. Recently the minorities of Europe publicly criticised this situation at the FUEN-Congress of 2010 in Ljubljana and in the presence of Slovenian President Danilo Türk. But nothing has changed."

    Well I am German from that state Republic Slovenia. And I am not part of that "tiny" German minority group which is mentioned above in that article. I do not know personally nobody from that German minority group above, and I do not know person who would. I am part of some other "tiny" German minority group in that state Slovenia. You never know about which group they are speaking about.

    Because there everybody knows, those who, which personally knows, their relatives and people in their village. Because we do not have no future there after 1945, and no perspective, because governments after 1945 and especially after 1991 do not guarantee us now rights and more. So Germans there know Germans in their own village and surroundings there, and than people in Germany and Switzerland or Austria, and not in Slovenia. So situation after 1945 and 1991 is like that, that you knew people in your village, and Germans in your village there usually all have some uncle or aunts or some or somebody in Germany, and are not very connected with Slovenian state authorities, as state authorities anyway do not guarantee them no rights, and as a German have no perspective and no recognition in that state.

    So future of local Germans from some German villages in where is state Slovenia, is usually that they go to Germany or Switzerland and so on, if they can not live out of their own farm there.

    There exist of course much more Germans on territory of Slovenia. that is mentioned above. But they do not have rights in Slovenia state institutes, If they manage to live them self as they were born there and their ancestors, on farms, or their ancestors job, if not they have to go to post war Germany. We Germans are not equal under the law with others here. So you usually know people and Germans in village or where you grew up, but than your future further is open maybe from your village only to Germany or Austria, German organisation here were forbitten or authorities her after 1945 do not guarantee them rights till today

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  2. So Germans know here other Germans in their village but elsewhere not. We have no rights for now medias and others or cultural things. And from your village you have than only open doors to Germany and not that new Slovenia state institutes here. There is many such a "tiny" German minority groups here. who live here from before 1919 and 1945, before was here Yugoslavia and or Slovenia, when was here still Austria and Germany. But to those Germans Yugoslavia and especially Slovenia do not offer no future, so you can stay on your farm or go to Germany those are possibilities that have basically German here, according "legal" possibilities after 1945. Also Italians and Hungarians are not treat good here, are not equal under the law only in 3 municipalities, Slovenian have 211 municipalities, but after 1991 could and have batter contact with their nation states, while for Germans after 1991 became that even more difficult. Germany and Slovenia have after 1991 very complicated normal integration of local Germans in Slovenia into EU, and that is the main problem. German have to be integrated into EU as a Germans, and that is also for local Germans in Slovenia. Also according normal human rights local Germans here should have normal rights to be integrated normally into German society in Germany, which also not facing problems, because Germany authorities them doing a problems, because have to have Slovenian passport that they can live a country and go to Germany, and Germany do not ant to issue them their passports. And than they cannot be integrated in EU as a Germans and are being now especially the last 10 years being doing violence against them, mentally, financially, violation non respect of their dignity and so on and so on. Human rights according (universal declaration of human rights), to local Germans for those German minorities groups in that state Slovenia, are being widely violated the last 22 years here. And that is worry thing because nobody want to be responsible for their human rights. While all human rights agencies consurne especially on human rights of Romany people here.That is truth that Romany people do not have their own state.

    But what they forget that also Germans here do not have their own state. Some Germans in German do have state here. But those here are not citizens of that state. Like maybe some Romany are not citizens of maybe some state in India (I do not actually know who those Romany are, I never met non even that I lived all my life where is Slovenia, I knew mainly only Germans there. But also I was not much around other parts of that state Slovenia that is also truth. Of course problem is that Germans there we are treat as citizens of Germany, so nobody sees much a problem, as there exist also state Germany. But we are not citizens of Germany, so we have a big problem. We live here from the time when was here Holly roman empire of German nationality and then German confederation till 1866, after 1866 we are not part of those Germany after 1866 till today, so we have no passports and documents of those Germany states after 1866, we are that German nation from before 1866. So we are not treat of today Germany citizens from today Germany state. But we are treat as Germany citizens from authorities here. So we have big problem Also we were Austria citizens till 1919 and also that citizens not any more after 1919. So we have now really citizenship and human rights problem. It does not look like that, but we have.

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  3. Further:

    And that didn't start in 1991, that start already in 1866 and 1919, when we end up without Germany and or Austria citizenship. So in 1991 was just finish when we lost all human rights (according universal declaration of human rights). Also in EU.

    And human rights agencies should be more caution on those things. Believe that many Romany have batter rights in EU than some Germans. I do not know actually who Romany are, but human rights agencies so much consurne here about them, what is right. But those Romany have more rights that Germans here according Slovenia laws, and those Germans here are not Germany citizens.Human rights agencies should look on human rights for everybody to whom are human rights violated no matter who those people are. Of could for Germans here is question here about responsibility about their human rights, who is responsible for human rights of Germany here. Slovenia, Austria , Germany, EU?

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  4. Also here is all the time so much about speaking about German speakers.
    Who are those German speakers.

    Are those ethnic Slovenes gown up maybe in German or Austria and whose native language is Slovenian and they do not know it as they grew up in Germany or Austria or Switzerland. And they have to face than hostilities here because do not know imidiatelly Slovenian language when they came here.(As is that international recognized from 1991 as their ethnic State).

    Or are those speaking about those, native Germans here, who grew up in Yugoslavia and now Slovenia, and whose native language is German, but they have no right to have schools in their native language or have now protection from governments here that they can speak in their native language. And about them they do not even report that they even exist here. But they do exist. In Drava valley for many is native language German (or Boarisch ), or Srbs, Croatian.

    But from the year 1946 here from the law, have to all teachers in schools know and teach in Slovenian language, also everything else from the law after 1946 have to be in Slovenian language here. So believe that all people born and grew up here after 1946 know Slovenian language, as those were only schools that were here after 1946, ("legally") from the laws here.
    (Of course they do no employing those whose native language is German in state jobs here.)

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    1. Quote of Nelson Mandela:
      "If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart."
      http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/n/nelsonmand121685.html#MQD7JKw78qloQfHs.99

      Quote of Mahatma Gandhi
      "A nation's culture resides in the hearts and in the soul of its people."
      Source: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi_3.html#2R3r0mdeACic9glc.99

      Quote of Saint Thomas Aquinas:
      "Man cannot live without joy; therefore when he is deprived of true spiritual joys it is necessary that he become addicted to carnal pleasures."
      http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/thomas_aquinas.html#QYecOAxOZl3xQp42.99

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  5. Of course are than maybe those German speakers, those, that would done here from the law something that could even in schools or Universities no matter who(no matter what is their native language), could maybe learn that language German language.

    But all that about a rights of German speakers no matter who they are or could be or should be, only shows, that people if they speak German here lose a rights, no matter who they are. Ok you have no rights if your native language is German no matter if you speak it or not.

    But that only show situation here, which still is, in laws in medias and everywhere against German language, and bad attitude against Germanessee.

    Which have actually nothing to do with some personal attitude with Germans here.

    But simply because Russians(Ethnic Slovenes), didn't came here to do business with Germans but with Italians and Hungarians, Russians(Ethnic Slovenes), are doing business with Germans elsewhere.

    And Germans here are doing business with south east Europe, so with Srb, Croatian, and further down on Balkan. So local German and Russians (ethnic Slovenes), do not have no business to with each other here.

    Even Russians rather do business with Prussians in Berlin. But is crossroad here,

    which now Slovenian authorities that ignoring here, especially road German-Austria-Croatia -and further south east Europe. Obviouslly Slovenes quard only road, Italy-Ljubjana-Hungaria-Slovakia-Russia. They have no understanding of local Germans and Croats and so on here and also no contacts, as is only crossroad here.

    So Slovenes have no need for German language here, like Germans have no need for Slovenian language here, but Slovenian police and army have in possession of that crossroad. And should protect also rights of other who live and do in other directions in that crossroad, But as Slovenes are here to do business with west, they have ignorant attitude to needs of others, and to German language here, as they them selves do not need it. But ethnic non Slovenes people here would need it of course, but those are not law makers here. So all that is than result, as how it is on that question. Ethnic Slovenes here do not want and need to be in contact with local Germans here but are rather only with Berlin. Of course local Germans here are not even that Germany citizens. And Berlin as there are mainly Prussians (use to deal more with Russians and Poles) also sordoff have no big understandings of needs of local Germans here in south Europe. And all that than especially harmed economy especially in Podravje region , Marburg and der Drau region where you have a lot of native German speakers and native Srb-Croatian speakers. But an aeroport Russian now.

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  6. I also have to put comment on that, I am also German in that state Slovenia now,
    also According that article above as according what is writen on article above :"Additionally, there is one autochthonous minority in Slovenia that continues to be ignored and whose wish to be recognised is negated. This is the German minority (also called: German-speaking, old-Austrian, Gottschee Germans)."

    Yaoo,
    I, we also do not belong to non of those, German-speaking, not old Austrian, not Gottschee Germans.

    I ( and people that I know) belong to a group, old German national, non-German speaking group. We are not even mentioned here. And we are also minority group in Slovenia. (probably we are the most numerous German minority in Slovenia). We are of old German nation nationality, from before 1806 and 1866, when we or our ancestors were still part of German nation state, when was here still Germany. We my group (zum beispiel) do not considure our self, as old Austrian, we are not Gottschee Germans, and we are not German speaking. So beside those exist also other minority groups like we, who are also being ignored and neglect. (Also there are being ignored also all allein people, all individuals, and eremits or I do not know what Germans live also here.

    We are old German nation group, not today German nation because we are not citizens of Germany (involuntary), we would like to be , but we are not. Also we do not speak German , as we do not know standard German as we were never in no schools. But TV was and it is in English language here, and radio and computers. Anyway, our group, old German national, non German speaking, is also not mentioned above. So please a little bit more diligence here in such an articles.(And we are probably the most numerous Germans in that "Slovenia".) Of course we would like to speak and know more German, but we do not know how if nobody thought us, if we had to walking in Slovenian language schools, and our parents have to work all days. Of course we know some words from our ancestors, but we can not say that we are actually fluent in German.


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    1. Quote from Saint Thomas Aquinas:
      "The things that we love tell us what we are"
      Source:
      http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/thomas_aquinas.html#QYecOAxOZl3xQp42.99

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  7. Many Germans are citizens of Slovenia. But Slovenia government do not guarantee them no rights, (human rights according universal declaration of human rights) to citizens of Slovenia, who are of German nationality. Slovenia state quarantee and protect rights only to citizens whose native language is Slovenian.

    But not to those whose native language is German and are German nationality to German people..

    But many Germans have to be and were against their will registered into Slovenia citizenship. And that state not from law, not in public, not governments in practice, not in secret, do not guarantee and protect to Germans citizens of Slovenia no rights. I am one of those. They should deport us in 1945 or later from here (or our ancestors). But they did not, instead they have booked us into citizenship here, and protecting us no rights. And that is enslaving of German population here. We are in slavery 22 years now here in that Slovenia (before 1991 we had working class rights, that is not full rights , but better than now). Obviously many do not know that are many citizens of Slovenia Germans (German nationality whose native language is German language whose mother language is German language whose father language is German language, or other German people, alo our parents already were not mprotected that they can speak thir native language(that is just one thing of many)) Of course we are involuntary Slovenia citizens. Who would be voluntary citizen of state which do not guarantee them no rights?(that is rhetoric question).

    Of course they behave like that, that changes which were done in 1945, that how should stay. Take it or leave it. In 1946 in all schools have to know and start to teach in Slovenian language, and in all medias and newspaper and so on from laws.

    So than have policy that, that how have to stay, take it or leave it.
    Of course we do not like, like that, if we are Germans, Deutschevolk.(And we also do not like that we have no protected no human rights from Slovenian authorities). But instead that we could go elsewhere, they have booked us in their citizenship. To put somebody into citizenship and protecting us no rights. That is enslaving German population here. And Slovenia have many German population and do not protect us no human rights. Did anybody here ever went to jail because murdering and or taking property away to us Germans and so on, to violate us freedom of the speech, schooling, housing and so on.

    Till today nobody, but we have anyway be thier citizens. They want money Slovenia government, if we do not want to be thier citizens, and they do not protecting no rights to Germans Slovenia citizens.

    And furthermore, instead that would recognizing her us offitialy, that we can get some human rights elsewhere and Get Germany or Autria citiznehip which would give us freedom, instead than they even trying to denying our existence. So that we can not even get elsewhere some human rights, and that can kip on run they their slave trade and slave hold business here. That is how they doing with us German population after 1945 and especially after 1991, now here. We have to be in slavery now here, native Germans here.

    British have closed a border after 1945 and sending us back, and those have killing and murdering us or enslaved, till today from laws do not protect us no human rights(accoding universal declaration of human rights), but hey have book us into their citizenship.

    So I am now also now just one more some German slave:
    ON SALE.

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    1. Quote from Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
      "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
      http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johannwolf134023.html#APQK7uupuZGqYvgl.99

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    2. Quote from Nelson Mandela:
      "It was during those long and lonely years that my hunger for the freedom of my own people became a hunger for the freedom of all people, white and black. I knew as well as I knew anything that the oppressor must be liberated just as surely as the oppressed. A man who takes away another man's freedom is a prisoner of hatred, he is locked behind the bars of prejudice and narrow-mindedness. I am not truly free if I am taking away someone else's freedom, just as surely as I am not free when my freedom is taken from me. The oppressed and the oppressor alike are robbed of their humanity.
      When I walked out of prison, that was my mission, to liberate the oppressed and the oppressor both. Some say that has now been achieved. But I know that that is not the case. The truth is that we are not yet free; we have merely achieved the freedom to be free, the right not to be oppressed. We have not taken the final step of our journey, but the first step on a longer and even more difficult road. For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. The true test of our devotion to freedom is just beginning."
      source:
      http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela
      Long Walk to Freedom (1995)

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  8. There is much bigger repression on border areas than inside yes that is also truth.
    In Ljubjana(Laibach), and Gotschee country which was in times of Yugoslavia more inside Yugoslavia.
    But on border areas, if you speak German you can be shot as according , you can be immidiataly considured that you have cross Austria Slovenia border, and you can be shot as" suposiably" as Foreign as Austria or Geramny soldier on Slovenia or Yugoslavia territory.
    Even that you are local person there, and a citizen there. Or you can be from law system also immidiatly considered as a dangure for safety on borders for state safety if you speak German there, and they could also shot, so is much bigger repression and was on the border areas, where live the most Germans in Slovenia for example. In Drava valley for example and in Mura valley.
    Of course before year 1919 those were not border areas but cetral Steiermark areas, but than became borders even of on some wey of east and west Block like a Iron curtain.
    So on border areas is much more dangureus speak German language than inside, for local population there.
    It was and it is, because Slovenia state till today do not guarantee not from laws and not in practice no rights to local German population there. So it is much bigger repression on borders.

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  9. On wikapedia for Lower Styria for today page is written that in Lower Styria was 4 % of Germans in 1922.(or something in that sense)
    And that today:
    (well everybody who is from there know that is not truth, even today is more that that, that is very, very biased reports those wikapedias about Lower Styria, probably are written from ethnic Slovenes).

    From wikapedia about Lower Styria:
    "
    On the other hand, several predominantly German-speaking towns remained in Yugoslavia, especially Maribor (80% German speakers), Ptuj (86%) and Celje (67%); in addition, the German-speaking area around the village of Apače was annexed to Yugoslavia.
    "
    Well in Lower Styria was and still today far the biggest city Maribor which had according 1919 of that wikapedia page 80% German speakers, and second and the third biggest cities are Celje and Ptuj, which also had on 86% German speakers and Celje (67%).(according wikapedia page).

    German speakers. Now for important information which is not on that page, that those are only cities in Lower Styria so in those cities live majority of population in Lower Styria.( and elsewhere nobody live). So majority population in areas where somebody live are Germans, where are mountains and forests where nobody live, there anyway nobody live.

    So than is question how that then they got a number.
    That in all Lower Styria were than only 18% of German speakers,(on that page)
    So where then lived those suposiably 82%Slovenes Speakers.?
    Of course what is for sure, that majority Germans in Lower Styria knew beside their native German also South Slovene languages, as Srb Croatian language an so on. As trade from Germany with south east Europe went through Marburg an der Drau and Steiermark, while where came there Russian and Ukrainians and those and Srbs, they didn't spoke no German at all. And and still don't, because they came there to do Business with Italians and more west.
    Local Germans there do know south Slovene languages but Russians and Ukrains which came there do not know and speak German but Italian.

    So out of that about what languages people know there , can not be concluded what nationalities are somewhere, but on sad thing, that here are being here those informations abused and manipulated for conquering some territory.

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  10. Further about that wikapedia page (lower Styria).:
    Also how is that wikapedia article written, out of that is impossible to see, who are 18% of German speakers and who 82% Slovenes speakers. Probably 82% of German population in Lower Styria knew some south Slovene language or other Slovene language. While probably of Slovene population probably only some 18% knew German language.

    On such a way probably those informations would be correct (but are not shown like that). Of course majority those Slovene who didn't know German language there after 1920 was of course,

    came with armies of Kindom of Srbs, Croats, and Slovenes. And of course after 1920 came a lot of population from Russia and Ukraine because of October revolution there. And Yugoslavia was Kindom. All those new population did not speak no German when came there after 1919 (didn't have to), while local Germans did there know, at least majority a little bit some South Slavic Language.

    But as it seen that majority of German speakers were in cities where they were majority, and Slavic speakers, on mountains border areas which became than occupied form Yugoslavia and border armies., expecially Russian Cossacs, which were fight against October revolution in Russia and than came to Yugoslavia, for them was that like some Caucass Kuban region. They even renamed some areas into Cobansko and Cossacs areas. Of course all those new people were in comparisement with local German and Italian population than

    Sloveny, which didn't have nothing much in common with local ethnic German and ethnic Italian population there and also no contact with local German and Italian population. They became as soldier in 1919, on some border areas, with center of their camp in Ljubljana. Local ethnic German and Italian population they considered only, if were needed for some work there and labour, or were considered as soldiers from Italy or Germany, to against which they should fight and defend that "Country " Yugoslavia than. And that how is till today. But local ethnic German population here, is now enslaved there because are also from all Slovenian medias considered as population against which they should fight and protecting a border, and not population to which they should protecting property or human rights.

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  11. Than you have further on that page wikapedia (even today) about lower Styria that:
    "
    According to the 1921 Yugoslav census, some 22,500 ethnic Germans lived in Yugoslav Styria. They represented around 4.5% of the overall population of the region, and around 57% of all ethnic Germans in Slovenia. In 1931, this number dropped to around 12,500 or 2.3% of the regional population, and around 45% of all ethnic Germans in Slovenia."

    Here again manipulation, because Slovenia is community of people.
    So surely almoust no German lived in that community, Slovenian community.
    And such a country as Slovenia also didn't exist as from before as 1945, when offitially ethnic Slovenia community party took over administration of that territory, (according authotisation from Soviet union)

    Of course also after 1945 almoust non Germans there didn't live in Slovenia ethnic community or their community party, and still do not till today.

    Of course text above avoid in which region have lived 4% . It is only states 4% in the region, but does not states which region.
    And some procent how much Germans in Slovenia (Slovenia didn't exist at that time yet), but Slovenia ethnic community did yes.

    So it is text try hard to avoid to give any right information how much actually existed Germans there.
    Of course if then come on so far , that are a lot of Germans there, was then requred to accused that are occupiers and not autochtonous and that are occupied Yugoslavia. (and that happened than later, nobody know when would some army from Germany came there. Germans started there, their German nation liberation fight (or NOB), because they have represed German local population there, and than were fallowing mass expulsion of many of those ethnic nation Germans from there after 1945, and other were being enslaved there, till today do not give arms any more to local Germans there.

    Well but on reality, even today live more than 10% of population in lower Styria ethnic Germans. and even probably more than 20%.

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  12. So the fact is that those pages is militaristic pages, and with that want than. showed, that had to expeled than after the 1945, thousande Germans from here.

    Because were considere and or to show and tried to decieve that other would considere there as occupiers native local Germans, and have accused them that came from elsewhere after 1922.(of course in such a medias writing such a false propaganda).

    And that they can expel all Germans from here, because anyway lived before only "4% Germans" there. And all those in 1941. were all Came From "Germany" and were considered occupiers. And had to expeled tham all than.

    Of couse many they needed for work there, so they did not expell them all, they just do not protect them human rights and so on.

    (but ok such a pages are today in 2013 on interned). those were not from 1920 for example).(and even today is more than 10% Germans there.)
    Well those numbers of course are lies, and manipultion.on those propaganda sloveen pages.
    Even today is more than 20% population on lower Stryia ethnic Germans.
    And even today are regarded there from authorities as a turists, or occupiers , even that live at least 300 hundreds years there and more.

    Of Course that is according that page Yugoslavia (authorities) census then in 1921. Which tried to "justify" than expulsion (or cover up expulsion or genocid), which going on till today against ethnic Germans there. And treat them as occuiers, and denying them recognition of as authohthonous population there.
    Of course in 1919 took that territory over Army of Srbs, Croats, and Slovenes (highly supported from Russians). And many in those new state there from the starts many didn't want minorities.
    And then they wrote down how much ethnic Germans can stay.
    (maybe 4% in the country), and others have to be expelled.
    But till today is still more than that number of ethnic Germans on that territory.
    But it is truth, that is so low number of them or even less part of their state institutions. So that is even than question about that number from 1921 Yugoslavia report. Because that number 4% could be maybe only how many Germans were than part of new state institutes after 1919. or in 1921.
    And after and in 1931 only 2,3%. That is probably a number of ethnic Germans in their new states institutions. Under after 1945 that dropped under 0.8%.
    Because Germans and Slovenes, are two different people, different race, language and culture. And usually have no much of contacts and live more segregated. Are to different communities, But on the same territory. And many Germans there have also many relatives in Germany while Slovenes in other Slavic countries. Because they do not marry to each other but with they own people elsewhere. So is hardly even believed and even impossible that Yugoslavia authorities could had in 1921 correct data how much is some people on some territory. of course they had probably correct data about their own organisations and people. And that in their own organisations were in 1921 4%, than 1932 2,3% and after 1945 0,8% Ethnic Germans.( they know for sure about them self and their authority after 1919 there.

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  13. Because those states like Yugoslavia were ethnic nationalist states.

    And Germans are not Slavic people.
    And after 1919, became Germans continually be regarded as occupiers and foreigners on that territory which was aloted to Yugoslavia.On peace treaty in 1919. Of course those who were treat as foreigners and occupiers on that territory were authohthonous Germans there, which had just for new authorities there some foreign or strange culture , language and appearance.
    Authohtonous Germans here are not even till today here recognised from state auhtorities as autohtonious people here (and live here partly on some side here even more than 400 hundred years and more, some even more than 2000).
    Of course I am writing that as ethnic German born and grew up in Lower Styria (where were born and lived also my parents and grandparents and so on back), I have knew here in all my life only German people )ethnic Germans). And that is after 1945. Of course I never knew nobody personally who would be employed in Yugoslavia and later Slovenia state institutions, also I do not know person who would knew personally somebody. In times of Yugoslavia were all also we Germans conscripted into Yugoslavia people army, and than Slovenian authorities even also those started to treat us an enemy.(not JLA , but all those Germans and Albanians and so on in that army, and had to again in 1991 regarded them as occupiers, even that are local native people here.

    We Germans we were considured as working class, I knew people employed in industry and fermers there, those are ethnic Germans, they, we are not part of states institutes there.(Or social uper(higher) building, like they were called in Marxistic terminology). Till today, if local German would take a gun there could be shot us occupier or invader on their territory, even that is born there and lived all they life there and their ancestors, expecialy that became strict after 1991.

    when they had again on new start to "liberating country here" from ethnci non Slovenia people or ethnical cleansing institutions, like happened in 1919 and in 1945 and in 1991. So basically we are like in Slavery there, There exist there even today in Lower Styria more than 20% of population of enslaved ethnic Germans (German nationals). To which that Republic Slovenia state, state which citizens have to be involuntary, do not protect no human rights (according universal declaration of human rights). So that Republic Slovenia is basically slave holding state.

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  14. Also, what is even more sad is that there is no report about Germans there, because we are being treat as assets, as property and not as human being. We are different race than ethnic Slovenes, and we are being treated as assets or as other like house animals. What is really sad (that is in 20th century). And that is EU and NATO state. (So we are not being count in some reports under residents of that country or as under human being citizens).
    Because when you are in slavery like we here, you are being treat as asset and as property like a car or house and so on.
    Native German speakers here, we are not in state institutes and we do not have rights to be, also they do not want to recognize state institutes as that we are authohtonius people here., and also those state authorities also do not protecting human rights (according universal declaration of human rights) to German people here. But hey have against our will enlist into their citizenship.
    And to such a people was in 1992 international recognized as "legal" authority on that territory.(maybe that is their "success" in manipulation medias in such a direction that enslaving people and harming human rights of people and so on)

    Also that you can leave that territory they have to issue Slovenian passport. Passport which state do not protecting you no human rights, according the law and in practice. And than you are elsewhere than treat as Slovenes, and they do not issue you German or Austria documents, where you as a German people could have good rights or where they protecting you human rights(according universal declaration of human rights).. So such a thing if they do not want to recognizing us is, or kip on holding us in slavery or doing genocide against us. Now are practice both against us.

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  15. Quotes from Mother Teresa:
    We think sometimes that poverty is only being hungry, naked and homeless. The poverty of being unwanted, unloved and uncared for is the greatest poverty. We must start in our own homes to remedy this kind of poverty.
    Mother Teresa http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mother_teresa.html#jRqaXXoYhykhPSDk.99

    One of the greatest diseases is to be nobody to anybody.
    Mother Teresa
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mother_teresa_2.html#fpVIpTX8kTMLpKcf.99

    I want you to be concerned about your next door neighbor. Do you know your next door neighbor?
    Mother Teresa
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mother_teresa_2.html#fpVIpTX8kTMLpKcf.99

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  16. The problem is that we do not have respected of our human rights not just in Lower Styria and Carniola where we were born and grew up, but also everywhere else in EU.

    Some quotes of Martin Luther King junior:
    Quotes from page:
    http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art10220.asp
    Martin Luther King Quotations

    39."Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal."
    1."A right delayed is a right denied."
    1."Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness."
    2."I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. This is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant."
    3."The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict."
    4."The Negro's great stumbling block in the drive toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice."
    5."We are not makers of history. We are made by history."
    6."Without justice, there can be no peace. He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. "
    -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Stride Towards Freedom
    7."Without love, benevolence becomes egotism. "

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    1. Martin Luther King Jr:
      "I want to be the white man’s brother, not his brother-in-law." New York Journal 10th September 1962.

      (The same as I) That is how I:
      I a German from Lower Styria, I want to be with Slovenians and other non-Germanic people brother, not their brother-in-law.

      Martin Luther King Jr:
      "Today the choice is no longer between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence." Stride Towards Freedom 1964.

      "We are out to defeat injustice and not white persons who may be unjust." Stride Toward Freedom 1964
      That is from Marin Luter King J. speaches, from civil rights movement in USA.
      Well what are civil rights movement or could be in Europe?

      We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.
      Martin Luther King, Jr.
      Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/martin_luther_king_jr.html#rgx61smVQg9lAcZo.99

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    2. More Quotes from Martin Luther King J. from USA and civil movemnet there:

      In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
      Martin Luther King, Jr.

      History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.
      Martin Luther King, Jr.
      Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/martin_luther_king_jr.html#UdOAD4Ft29Hhm7ZQ.99

      I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality... I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word.
      Martin Luther King, Jr.
      Read more
      at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/martin_luther_king_jr.html#HPkJYt2r8KwGv31E.99

      The time is always right to do what is right.
      Martin Luther King, Jr.
      Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/martin_luther_king_jr_2.html#5u6MvTvXL406ajdb.99

      Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.
      Martin Luther King, J
      Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/martin_luther_king_jr_2.html#5u6MvTvXL406ajdb.99

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  17. I have to put comment on that (I do not know, who is writing such an articles) if I quote article above:
    For the “autochthonous minorities” (as they are called in the Slovenian minority statute) such as the Italians and Hungarians, Slovenia is not a bad country to live in.
    http://living-diversity.blogspot.com/2012/07/german-minority-in-slovenia-continues.html

    First I have to correct an author of that article above:

    Slovenia is not a country but a community of people.
    Countries here are: Carniola (that is upper Sava valley).
    Carinthia (that is upper Drava valley).
    Styria (that is upper Mura Valley)

    Littoral (that compose Soca valley which goes into Adriatic sea, and Adriatic Coast area).
    Ethnic Slovenian community have got in administration in 1945 from Soviet Union(or from Russians) and Yugoslavia authorities,(When came Red army and Titos Partisans)- Countries:

    Carniola, Littoral, and little parts of Drava and Mura valley, with connection to Hungaria.

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  18. And till today time that territories from 1945 are recognized internationaly as administrative unit of Slovene communion. In 1991 have killed here some federal officers, and in 1992 they also in "west" have international recognized here as sovereign Ethnic Slovenian communion territory. so now is here real Slovenian communist state.(without socialism any more).

    International politics in 1991 was like that, that how they have created in 1946 that how should stay, so after 1991 here didn't change nothing, borders of Yugoslavia stayed the same, and borders of Republics. And from all was attitude , "like it how they created in 1945 or go elsewhere," so in ex-Yugoslavia ended all that in ethnic cleasing in all Republics, also here what is now Republic Slovenia.

    Ok with difference with other Yugoslav Republics, Native non Slovenes here, like are local Germans and Italians here, they already from 1945 had here less rights than others (Yugoslavs for example) so they were not armed and had high ranks in army and so on and police, so .

    But politics in that Republic Slovenia is, that how was created in 1946 that how should stay, if Germans want to have school or anything in their native language should go elsewhere. So it is big human rights violations here to native population here. and they plundering native Ethnic nonSlovenia population here (So in Lower Styria are those mainly Germans).

    And maybe is even harder, because from other Republics can get people more easy refuge status elsewhere than Germans from here. And here that Republic Slovenia bordering on Austria and Austria do not like excepting people from elsewhere on their territory (no matter who they are) and or giving them citizenship. Austria have expecially weird policy towards here. Austria authorities and government concerne about human rights of them self, and what rights have Austria citizens where. And Germans here in what is now Slovenia are not that "new Austria " citizens. In Austria authorities they saying that those are "old Austrians" and do not want to give citizenship to Germans here of now" new Austria" that how Austria authorities calling all that.So the violate here human rights to native Germans everywhere here around as much they can. I was personally very supprised about hostilities from Austria authorities, and unexceptance. Like

    They are very selfish both Austria state and Slovenia, basically both denying to us rights. And want that other state would give us rights. But non want to give us righs o their territories, and we are native people on both territories. So basically Austria and Slovenia state in Staiermark and Carinthia and so on, violating us human rights, no matter or is on today Austria territory or Slovenia territory.

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    1. Quote from Saint Augustine:

      "In the absence of justice, what is sovereignty but organized robbery?"
      Saint Augustine
      source:
      http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/saintaugus105430.html#wDaTAVgT3HOdI7XT.99

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  19. According the Gospel according Apostol saint Matthew:

    31 "But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate them as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left. 34Then the King will say to those on the right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.' 37 "Then these righteous ones will reply, 'Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?'40 And the King will tell them, 'I assure you, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!' 41 "Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, 'Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his demons!42 For I was hungry, and you didn't feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn't give me anything to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you didn't invite me into your home. I was naked, and you gave me no clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn't visit me.' 44 "Then they will reply, 'Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?' 45 And he will answer, 'I assure you, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.' 46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life."
    http://www.biblestudytools.com/nlt/matthew/25.html

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    1. Evangelium according Apostol Saint Matthew:

      Giving
      1 When you do good deeds, don't try to show off. If you do, you won't get a reward from your Father in heaven.
      2 When you give to the poor, don't blow a loud horn. That's what show-offs do in the meeting places and on the street corners, because they are always looking for praise. I can assure you that they already have their reward.
      3 When you give to the poor, don't let anyone know about it.
      4 Then your gift will be given in secret. Your Father knows what is done in secret, and he will reward you.
      Matthew 6,1-4
      http://www.biblija.net/biblija.cgi?Bible=Bible&m=Mt+6%2C1-4&id32=1&pos=0&set=3&l=en

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  20. Quotes from Mahatma Gandhi:

    The good man is the friend of all living things.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi_3.html#aJk2bKMKvZQmDUvh.99

    The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi.html#ySmEHG1UAvtCFS9i.99

    An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi.html#ySmEHG1UAvtCFS9i.99

    Where there is love there is life.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi.html#jL0dIbMSVcv46qdb.99

    Where love is, there God is also.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi_5.html#77EpiHDdKEbpBlMM.99

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi.html#sRx6CvMLye4jZElz.99

    Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi.html#sRx6CvMLye4jZElz.99

    Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self-sustained.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi_4.html#r37jS00m2ozDosGV.99

    An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi_2.html#4c5lKqqJfkdF8ACC.99

    My religion is based on truth and non-violence. Truth is my God. Non-violence is the means of realising Him.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi_4.html#gJrMs6kIGC0u7j8k.99

    Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi_2.html#xtwbOBHrvWwujKSZ.99

    All the religions of the world, while they may differ in other respects, unitedly proclaim that nothing lives in this world but Truth.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi_3.html#aJk2bKMKvZQmDUvh.99

    Anger and intolerance are the enemies of correct understanding.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi.html#sRx6CvMLye4jZElz.99

    Truth is by nature self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi_2.html#QkVCHeBhv3QmROO5.99

    A nation's culture resides in the hearts and in the soul of its people.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi_3.html#kE6ZfVYtL8AG57VX.99

    An unjust law is itself a species of violence. Arrest for its breach is more so.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi_4.html#THvMKvDkIlUFJjHG.99









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  21. Qutes from Buddha from:
    http://www.whale.to/b/buddha_q.html

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." ----Buddha

    The mind is everything. What you think you become. ----Buddha

    The tongue like a sharp knife... Kills without drawing blood.---Buddha

    There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting. ----Buddha

    The way is not in the sky. The way is in the heart. ----Buddha

    "You can only lose what you cling to."
    "To what person, do not cling on, can not lose it."
    "There is no way to happiness, happiness is the way."


    Where could we go else than back to our selfs?
    According Buddha:

    "Make an island of yourself, make your self your refuge; there is no other refuge.
    Make truth your island, make truth your refuge; there is no other refuge."


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  22. It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.

    Gentleness, self-sacrifice and generosity are the exclusive possession of no one race or religion.

    Satisfaction lies in the effort, not in the attainment, full effort is full victory.

    Confession of errors is like a broom which sweeps away the dirt and leaves the surface brighter and clearer. I feel stronger for confession.

    I claim to be a simple individual liable to err like any other fellow mortal. I own, however, that I have humility enough to confess my errors and to retrace my steps.

    To deprive a man of his natural liberty and to deny to him the ordinary amenities of life is worse then starving the body; it is starvation of the soul, the dweller in the body.
    Mahatma Gandhi
    Source:
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mahatma_gandhi_8.html#iSaDhVxWIAUc6owQ.99

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  23. Human rights and citizenship statuses of people Aus Schwiiz und Bairisch speaking area (known also as "Jodlers") are here unresolved issue (question) from year 1918, when they make such a new borders here. (Russian, French and British empire after 1918(those who won in WWI).).

    After 1918, when Old Austria was dissolved(after defeat in WWI together with Germany, many (ethnic Germans -Aus Scwiiz and Bairsch speaking area ended autside of new borders of newAustria, in new established Czehoslovakia, Yugoslavia, And other parts, of ex-Austria state..in Italy and elsewhere.

    Those population do not speak standard German..They conversation language is Alemanisch like in Switzerland or Bairsich and also Gottscherisch.(Those are Germanic languages). Those people are also know after their way of musicieren: Jodeling (Yodeling) as Jodlers..(what is their traditional way of singing).

    Plan was that those people should be than in 1941 resetled to Poland, but than was nothing out of that as Germany lost a war. To those area here where is now Slovenia was resetled than many Poles, from "west Ukrain and Belaruss" when there changed border after 1945. So to those German people Aus Schwiiz and Bairsch speaking area (known also as Jodlers) here, till today they have still many of them unresolved human rights situation. Expecialy as Slovenian authorities do not want to protect their lingustical and culural rights under the law in that area..and also not other their human rights.

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  24. That new state Slovenia now here do not protect them (to peopel Aus Schwiiz and Bairsch speaking area (known also as J"odlers") no human rights and no minority rights under Slovenia state laws or as rights as NoSlovaney native peoples here.

    Although German word for German people is Deutsche volk (that is how German people call them selves: Deutsche volk)..So now they have in English speaking area, many those people Aus Schwiiz proclaimed that are already dead... Becasue German word "Deutsch" and English word "death" look a like.

    But 6 milion people Aus Schwiiz are not death but are Deutsch..than mean in German language, that are Germans..And many those such a people have till today unresolved , citizenship and human rights problems.( What is still consequnces of those borders which were done (and changed) in 1918..of course after 1945 were many those people Aus Schwiiz and Bairsich speaking area (Alsacia Lorena..in France,--Poland , Yugoslavia, Czehoslovakia and so on),..some were than after 1945 were resetled to what remain of German and Austria..but many still not remained in their old homes..So somewhere especialy like here in that now state Slovenia that remaigned problem, expecialy for legalising, and protecting human rights from that Slovenian state now here to those native (Schewiiz..and Baireisch, and Gotscherisch people known as (Jodlers).)..Of course as they are German people, one options is to also that those move to what remained from Germany..

    One thing is what some people difficult to understand is that.
    In British and French empire--Celtic people are different people than Germanic people. Celtic people have different languages..culture and are different race than Germanic people.

    Also in Russian empire--Slovaney people are also different race and have different culture and language than Germanic people..

    So Germanic people are here now not good understand, because Germany is not just Geografical location. But is some nation, with some language and culture, which is different that, is Celtic in west and is different that is Slovaney on east..

    And for German is Germany always..their nation state, when for Celtic peoples if for example//maybe only geografic location..

    Of cause that is expecialy problem here where is that Slovenia state, because authorities, have here usualy quite little understanding,..that Germanic people have some different language and culture that Russians(and other Slovaney people) so..Also they have not understanding of their way of singing like Jodeling (Yodeling) and Kulning( Coolning),..and their way of singing and musical expresions, as well not to their languages ..So around those things are here ongoing issues and problems..

    Also as here do not have school in "Hoch Deutsch" or standard German after 1945 any more but only in Slovenian and English language now. And Germanic population here know only their native Alemanisch, Gottsherische, or Bairisch languages..which they other wise speak and their centers are more located in Switzerland (Schwiiz) and Oeasterech (Austria) than in what is Germany(Deutschland).(Standard German try to be between Germanic people something like Mandarin Chinese between Han people in China,(At least is official language in Germany)..But many do not know how to speaking that or do not speak other wise that language..mainly only those who going in schools in Germany or Austria or Switzerland and have than there state jobs..For birocratic porpuses is ussed Standard German. Which Germanic people here do not know it, as do not learn and teach it here in school..So they try to acchive also those rights that could have schools in Standard German, and in their language medias, and that authorities could protecting them those rights with law , but till now they were unsuccessful in agotiations with Slovaney authorities.


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  25. Medias and Modern tehnology.

    Russia and Great Britain ( Russian empire and British empire and propably also French), were way infront of us, in long distance communication technique (or long distance sending informations), and letters in with commputers with radio and televison long distance transproting tehnique.

    So mainly all informations which are distributed to every home around the world and on long distance are done by those who have tehnology and knowledge how to do that, distributing information to long distance and to every home..Well we Germans we do not have that.. at least not we in Central Europe and in Steiermark and Karniola and so on..

    And problem is that those infrormations (which are spread around the world) are Not spread around, from those who have knowledge about some subject..but who have knowledge and tehnology to spreading it. On internet for example writting (on first) people, who know how to writte on public something on internet ,.and creating pages and so on..not people who which have knowledge about some subject.(according what is subject about)..

    For example: For this region is written that here ...people speak Deutsch or Slovenian (in 1910)..well those who claim that..and writting such a things..obviously have tehnology and posibility, how to distributing such a disinformation around the world. But do not have knowledge about regions here, and people who live here. (In Steiermark and Karniola, and Karinthia and so on..)

    Because people here even today do not speak in everyday life non of those two langauges here (Deutsch or Slovenian languages). Those two languages Deutsch and Slovenian is possible and was possible to learn here in schools in those times and also today.(Ok Deutsch today not any more, here is with Slovenian now in schools more English after 1945). But in every day life even today people here speak (Alemannisch or Bairisch or Srb-Kroatisch)..Those languages are native languages and spoaken languages in everyday life from native poeple here.(In Steiermark, Karniola , Karintia and so on)..

    Native languages here are Not Deutsch or and not Slovenian. Both today "Hoch Deutsch" and that "Hoch Slovenain" are academic languages created in Universities, in departments of for Germanic and for Slovanic studies... Germanistic and Slovenistic..But non of those two are spoaken in everyday life by people here.

    But was in 1919 decided (decision from those who won in WWI) that in upper Styria would be language in offices "hoch deutsch" and in Lower Styria (which became part of Yugoslavia) would be "Hoch Slovenian"..

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  26. Of course to native people here, who(which) do not speak not one not another here, nobody asked here nothing..(not in 1919, not today)..of course those people, (we) also do not have technology and chance, to spreading information about here around the word (or confronting those informations), because about that have monopol or people in Moscow, or in Rehn velley or Berlin or in Wien where are big Center. Of course propaganda and media machine of Moscow and their media machine is probably is here the strongest (as Soviet union and Russian on some way were also viewing that region here as their border region or region which could be nice geophical border for their empire)..but informations which spreading those medias, are not correct and thrutful and suffitient..any many times those who spreading it, do not have knowledge about that region (and are more political and militaristiacly motived, which cousing and was cousing a lot of harm to native population here(and still do, and violating human righst to natve Alemansich, Bairisch and Croatisch popualtion here). and is for decades herr one of the highest suacaide rate, what can be put also under genocid over native (Alemanic, bairisch and srb, croatic, population here in last 100 years)..so are a lot a wrong informations around the world about that region and people here. also about all ex-Yugoslavia are tons of wrong informations.(in other languages)

    Serb-Croatian language speaking area, and Bairsch-Alemanisch..To which speaking area is here. is way behind tahnologocaly,begind..

    BBC, Moscow, Russians(And Hoch Slovenian), and also after Hoch Deutsch medias).. which want to have monopol in medias and do have...But native population here, which is native Alemanisch, Bairisch..Serb-Croatian speakers..

    Mainly do not know those big languages,.So we are behind all those big media houses in other languages..foreign languages like "Slovenian", And " "Deutsch"

    Which are foreign language here for native people here. But which TV, and medias reporters do knwo, but other don't (here only TV and Newspapers reporters mainly know and work in those languages as Slovenian or Deutsch, which native population here mainly do not know)..and those also want without consense of people here ,..speak about people here.(But they do not speak about nothing else but them selves, and nt about native people here.

    Of course we native people here , can not and do not agree that informations from here which are giving Slovenian or Deutsch speakers and medias reporters, are correct because are not..

    But we Alemanisch and Barisrisch and Serb-Kroatisch native speakers, also now learning Slovenian and Deutsch, so we are able (or would be) to speak for our selves and we have right to do so..

    But those who were writing so far in Deutsch and Slovenian are not our representative no..and those two are also not native languages here no..and are writing a lot of untruths about here and about people here.

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    1. Some Slovenians( Slovenian volk here) have very wierd theories.(That are authorities here).recognised from EU states as such:
      And that is that:
      "That Italian language is just Slovenian dialect, and that German language is just Slovenian dialect.. and that Hungarian language is just Slovenian dialect..
      "That how language exactly is, is how Slovenia language is".(of course they are also saying that we do not know how to speak no language at all (official authorities), that we are mute) if we want to speak for our selves..(that what we speak, it is not language at all, that we just doing some nonsense noises)..well maybe those noises do not have sense for them..but for us do have..and is called those noises our language.(Alemannic or Bairisch)..
      Of course with that are to us now violated also:

      Article 10.(Of universal declaration of human rights)
      Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

      Article 19.
      Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

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    2. But That how they saying and want to convince people here.
      And that all Europe should have just Slovenian language and learn Slovenian..and that Slovenian language should have only right in school and in offices.(ok that what policy they have here). And some saying here, that others languages in Europe are just Slovenian languages dialects.(that how they saying authorities here), from EU states recognised as Authorities..
      Here in Drau Tal, Drava valley (Lower Styria)..they do not want to provide (and do not providing) service state employees in languages that people undestand here. They are saying, :"if you want to get some service from Our state employees..than you have to learn language which state employees know.".(So we do not get now no service from no EU members state employees here, because we do not know their language (or they do not know or do not want to provide service in our native langauge(which is German), and those state emloyees here have no multicultural consiusness here at all, they think that all world and all Europe speakthe same language that is Slovenian language and that have cultures like they have,..terrible)..
      That is how is here in Drava valley..Lower Styria..Of course state employees, that can take you material things away, do not have to know our languages here, which they do not know (our languages)..Of course they are robing us (they do not have right to take us an Euro, because they do not protecting us human rights( as to ethnic NonSlovenian people) and providing us no service for us(Ethnic NoSlvenian people, citizens here) ..But EU recognising then as their members, (tieves and liers, which make lies and such an lies, just that they can violate further human rights, and deniing us human rights)..Ok they know how to do with guns, and weapons and bombs and so on..We don't have no civil administration here in Lower Styria and Carniola that is problem..
      They are just NATO soldiers here which do not protecting no civilians here. And no human rights of, to no civilians here.. In Lower Styira and Carniola and Littoral.

      Also EU emplyees should have some multucultural and multilingusticaly consiusnes..and should know and aware, that in EU is more languages and more cultures..Becasue state emloyesss, or authorites here, do nto ahve no multiculural and lingustical consiusness,..They think that all wolrd and Europe speak the same alngauge that they--Slovenian..and that EU and also we here, haev the same culures that they..which we do not have..

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    3. Wierd "esperantes"

      Its look like that some did (or try) to Creat(ing) some wierd"Esperantes languages"..

      Some Slovenes (Ethnic Slovenes, Slovaney people) trying and creating or did creating some language like "Esperanto", which they try to teach as some international language.
      And on that On which language all geographic names would be, names of Slovaney peoples tribes, and other people names, would be..
      bed names,..would be names of non-Slovaney peoples tribes, races and so on..and cultures.
      And they try to teach around the world that, as some "Esperanto language." And, but that their experanto is nothing more than their cultural rasistic view on other Non-Slovaney races and cultures..Than you know what people doing hier..(As some language of experts)..Which language now solely they poses..but they try to promote that language as to should became (according them) international exepted language..:That all geographic names would, should be names of Sloveney peoples tribes, and names of other Non-Slovaney peoples would be as bed names..
      They (or those) are on (such a way) total disrespecful to other cultures and languages..those some Slovenes here..with such a things..(those are some not even Slovenia state citizens,..while many Germanic and other people were involuntary put in Slovenia citizenship, and according that state citizenship that state protecting to them, as are not Sloveney race, culture people, no rights, Slovaney people are ruling class in that state, Germanic people (we) and others who are involuntary citizens of that state, and that Slovenia state protecting them (us) no human rights, so we are like in slavery)..For Germans with Slovenia state citizenship mean that to be like in Slavery..according that state laws..because Slovaney people are different race and culture and language of people that Germanic people(we)..
      And they try to promote that..if you know that kind of language, than you are expert, but if you do not know that kind of language than you do not know language of experts.(Of experts on rasistic terminolgy)..
      Now it is not excualy know experts of what....They try to promote, that geografic names sould be Slovaney people tribes words..

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    4. Wierd "esperantes"

      Its look like that some did (or try) to Creat(ing) some wierd"Esperantes languages"..

      Some Slovenes (Ethnic Slovenes, Slovaney people) trying and creating or did creating some language like "Esperanto", which they try to teach as some international language.
      And on that On which language all geographic names would be, names of Slovaney peoples tribes, and other people names, would be..
      bed names,..would be names of non-Slovaney peoples tribes, races and so on..and cultures.
      And they try to teach around the world that, as some "Esperanto language." And, but that their experanto is nothing more than their cultural rasistic view on other Non-Slovaney races and cultures..Than you know what people doing hier..(As some language of experts)..Which language now solely they poses..but they try to promote that language as to should became (according them) international exepted language..:That all geographic names would, should be names of Sloveney peoples tribes, and names of other Non-Slovaney peoples would be as bed names..
      They (or those) are on (such a way) total disrespecful to other cultures and languages..those some Slovenes here..with such a things..(those are some not even Slovenia state citizens,..while many Germanic and other people were involuntary put in Slovenia citizenship, and according that state citizenship that state protecting to them, as are not Sloveney race, culture people, no rights, Slovaney people are ruling class in that state, Germanic people (we) and others who are involuntary citizens of that state, and that Slovenia state protecting them (us) no human rights, so we are like in slavery)..For Germans with Slovenia state citizenship mean that to be like in Slavery..according that state laws..because Slovaney people are different race and culture and language of people that Germanic people(we)..
      And they try to promote that..if you know that kind of language, than you are expert, but if you do not know that kind of language than you do not know language of experts.(Of experts on rasistic terminolgy)..
      Now it is not excualy know experts of what....They try to promote, that geografic names sould be Slovaney people tribes words..

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    5. Wierd "esperantes"

      Its look like that some did (or try) to Creat(ing) some wierd"Esperantes languages"..

      Some Slovenes (Ethnic Slovenes, Slovaney people) trying and creating or did creating some language like "Esperanto", which they try to teach as some international language.
      And on that On which language all geographic names would be, names of Slovaney peoples tribes, and other people names, would be..
      bed names,..would be names of non-Slovaney peoples tribes, races and so on..and cultures.
      And they try to teach around the world that, as some "Esperanto language." And, but that their experanto is nothing more than their cultural rasistic view on other Non-Slovaney races and cultures..Than you know what people doing hier..(As some language of experts)..Which language now solely they poses..but they try to promote that language as to should became (according them) international exepted language..:That all geographic names would, should be names of Sloveney peoples tribes, and names of other Non-Slovaney peoples would be as bed names..
      They (or those) are on (such a way) total disrespecful to other cultures and languages..those some Slovenes here..with such a things..(those are some not even Slovenia state citizens,..while many Germanic and other people were involuntary put in Slovenia citizenship, and according that state citizenship that state protecting to them, as are not Sloveney race, culture people, no rights, Slovaney people are ruling class in that state, Germanic people (we) and others who are involuntary citizens of that state, and that Slovenia state protecting them (us) no human rights, so we are like in slavery)..For Germans with Slovenia state citizenship mean that to be like in Slavery..according that state laws..because Slovaney people are different race and culture and language of people that Germanic people(we)..
      And they try to promote that..if you know that kind of language, than you are expert, but if you do not know that kind of language than you do not know language of experts.(Of experts on rasistic terminolgy)..
      Now it is not excualy know experts of what....They try to promote, that geografic names sould be Slovaney people tribes words..

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  27. Here in 1918-1919 was became drawing of a new borders on Geographiclay obsticales here,(By those emperial powers like Russian empire and British and French empire, which won in WWI) and became devision of Old Austria than after 1919 on more suitable geographical locations.(from those emperial powers). And borders was made on the top of the mountains..Julian Alps mountains,.on the top of .Karavanken..and top of Stain mountains and than Possruech(Kozjak) mountains..obviously those are geographical borders.

    Of course after 1919..Alemannic and Bairisch population still lived on both side of the borders because their living space was high mountains pastures, which are on both side of mountians peaks like in Switzerland and Tirol..I hope that somebody do not realy believe that farmers and population here in Alps (where is country and wildenes), were know or even speak some High Academic Germanic or high Academic Slovene languages (what Slovene and Hoch Deutsch language are).(And native population is here Romo catholic, and offical language in Romo catholic church is still Latin).well even today we here do not know not Hoch Deutsch good (as is not in no medias here any more),and not that Hoch Slovenian..you have to go to university to study that you know those languages,..and mainly farmers and workers here, do not going and study on Universities..

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    1. Of course, but, Brutality against those mountain Alemannic and Bairish farmers (called "Jodlers") was expecialy cruel than after 1919 here and on the end of WWII, from Slovenian partizans, who sistematiscly arttacking those Bairisch and Alemannic mountain civilian villiages.(which they saw as threat of securing a borders).and were accusing and hoaxing than that Deutsch citizens doing that which have took that territory over expecilay because of deffence of civilians in front of attacs, which people farmers and cillages here had to suffer from, by Slovenians- ..of course victims were Native Alemannic and Bairsch population here (known as Jodlers) ...those are ethnic German population (Aus Schwiiz and Bairsch speaking area,,Of course to those population is still today violated human rights.. from Slovenian state and from EU now..

      People and native language of people here, in Alps is the same that elsewhere in Alps..Allemannisch and Bairsch..(those languages are Germanic languages)..Deutsch..(Hoch Deutsch)..is rarely known, and was rarely, know, was known only by those who went in schools. to learn it, and who went study. While, every days farmers here in Alps, knew and know, only Alemansich or Bairisch like elsewhere in Schwiss and "Austrian" Alps.

      Also other language which are spoke as native language here from some native peoples is Serb-Croatian , which is also nowhere mentioned and Latin languages..(Some Italian variants)..

      They writing those articles ussualy about thsoe subjects those which do not know nothing about that and people who are not from here and do nto know people here..that here were and is speaken some Slovenian language (which is language made on Universities, on Slavistic studies..)and is more like hoch deusch...is tought also in USA on University in Cliveland..But from people in Drava and Sava valley would be dificult to learn it, because beside authorities now here, other people here do not know it. That language Slovenian (or "high" Slovenian), which is teached now obligatory here in school after 1945).. but is not native language almost of nobody here, like also not Hoch Deutsch..But even today many native population here do not know not Hoch Deutsch and not hoch Slovenia. of course these that result only that person can not and is not aloud to work for TV or press or state job. For press can work only if you know that Slovenian or Deutsch.. and that know both only minority people.here. And in University and schools is tought here only that "Hoch Slovenian" after 1945, "Hoch Deutsch " not any more..So Germanic languages are here after 1945 spoaken only between rural population and working class population..From state authorities not any more after 1945.

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  28. Situation of Germans (Deutsche volk) in 1940 here in Lower Styria, Karniola and Moravia and Bohemia, could be good described with Nelson Mandela words:

    I do not deny that I planned sabotage. I did not plan it in a spirit of recklessness nor because I have any love of violence. I planned it as a result of a calm and sober assessment of the political situation that had arisen after many years of tyranny, exploitation and oppression of my people by Slovanes people.
    Nelson Mandela
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/n/nelson_mandela_3.html#AVfKXAPbbhGl7HY9.99

    Situation in Lower Styria and Carniola here after 1919.

    There are many people who feel that it is useless and futile to continue talking about peace and non-violence against a government whose only reply is savage attacks on an unarmed and defenceless people.
    Nelson Mandela
    Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/n/nelson_mandela_3.html#AVfKXAPbbhGl7HY9.99

    Ok that last can apply to recent times..times after 1990 here.

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    1. Originally is that speech of Nelson Mandela:
      "I do not deny that I planned sabotage. I did not plan it in a spirit of recklessness nor because I have any love of violence. I planned it as a result of a calm and sober assessment of the political situation that had arisen after many years of tyranny, exploitation and oppression of my people by White people."
      Nelson Mandela
      http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/n/nelson_mandela_3.html#AVfKXAPbbhGl7HY9.99
      But here people do not have white of black skin (Ok also in South Africa do not have many total black and or total white skin)..But what is the same is that also here are two destingushed different races ..two different races: Slovaney people and Germanic people, as two different races, and languages and cultures..But something is different here, because like in South Africa,..people are beeing there separated and segragated because different colours of the skin., While here is opposite problem, when people are being put together involuntary, because the same colours (or a like colours) (or the same colour of the skin).(and they do not like to be together) and of course in both such a things and cases is caused hatres than.(became a hatres and rejection of situation than)..
      Situation after 1919 expecialy coused here, that some Germanic people were separated (segragated) from their own people (in other parts of Europe) and put together involuntary with other peoples (Slovaney people here).
      What was than and is also today, the main problem in that central European areas is than Violation of:
      Article 20.

      (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
      (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

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    2. And expecialy as , as minority are not able to accept laws in those new states (as they are minority), which would protect them minority rights( Their cultural, lingusticaly, racial minority rights).(Laws that would protect to some people human rights somewhere, if they are (lingusticaly, culturaly, racial) minority somewhere), if they are minority..

      How is expecialy situation now for us (German speaking minority) in today in that new state Republic Slovenia. Which was established from Yugoslavia as province in(of) ex-Yugoslavia. But as here was big persecution of my people(Germanic people) after WWI and than again after WWII from here,..so we end now as minority on that territory..with no protected of no of our human rights as (lingusticaly, culturaly, racial minority now here,) from that state under it's laws and also not under the EU laws..So besicaly is now more continuation of persecution of Germanic people from that territory., and not just that also aut of EU member states now), we do not get even recognition as autochtonous people here(even that we live here more than 1000 years), so we are being constantly, cased to territories after 1918, where live other peoples like we (or should live according their theories), and we are accused that we just came from there. They treat us( native people here) as that we are immigrants now here after more than 1000 years that we lived here.(just because on some medias some spreading disinformations about here). But than also Austria and other EU states treat us like that (that we are also immigrants also there, or violate us human rights especial, 1 article of universal declaration of human rights now)). We do not have now protected our human rights nowhere in EU under the law. So now in EU violated to us, to German minority in or of that "Slovenia"..

      Article 7.
      •All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

      So we should now (according those), after more than 1000 years living in Styria and Carniola and here around in Europe immigrate in Eurppe( and we never migrate aut of it)(and should became some nation which have now right to live in Europa, because we after more than 2000 years now lost a legal right to live in Europa as what we are..hmm..that is now EU politics toward us the last 20 years (or that is how explaining us some birocrats what options that we have, that those are only option legal that we have now)...They do not recognising us legal and equal right to live in EU any more with other people living in EU (or in that territory), from times that that territory became part of EU. And also violate us human rights elsewhere in EU..EU is criminal institution now obviously.. and it's, state birocrats at least those with which we have to deal here. That has show clearly according it's policy toward those regions here of Ex-Yugoslavia..Lower Styria, and Karniola..and to us Germanic peoples here.,and it's persecution of native Germanic people from here now and deniing us human rights here and in other EU states..after 1991 and now,..in today times..

      I think that many in EU should go to criminal court for war crimes and genocides in ex-Yugoslavia..and than would probably also could more quickly resolve problems here and our human rights issues. (I do not know why they victims draging to the court to and accusing why they are victioms..persecuted should be those who coused a crimes(and human rights violations) and who supporting criminals and human rights violators , and not those who are victim of a crimes, what they are doing..)..

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    3. Of course we are on that stage,..still on first article of universal declaration of human rights, that first they have to start treat us in EU equaly in dignity and rights with other human beings, which now in EU do not..they do not treat like that not just us, but also not our anccestors now and not our history..EU do not giving us rights now and not giving to us equal, place with other people and nations in EU, with them..They do not accepting us in EU and did not accept us in EU no..til today times no..

      To be citizen of something, is that they protecting you human rights under the law, and are consurne about your human rights and other needs..EU and it's members from the begining to today time, that they do not doing that to us..Lower Styria, Carniola, Littoral,.Germans..or what would be today..Slovenia Germans.(for them we do not exist, for them we are not Europeans( obviously for somebody Europa is not geografic term but some political or something communion term or something else)..According EU members laws we are treated the same that, non EU citizens,..It just people who are not from EU territory, have maybe other countries legal to live, maybe some(probably also not all)..Which we do not have..So EU has attacked and robbing,..native population, on what they claim now that is its,their territory.

      Of course today, EU is not EU but is union of just some people or some on that continent..Like Deutschland is not state of all Deusche volk, but just of some Deusche volk now(all "deusche volk" there do not have the same legal right there than other "deusche volk" there if we use that term . Ofcourse both this two things are far away under what can somebody understood as Democracy..

      Few Europeans can not pronaunce them selves that are EU government, if half of Europe do not have voting rights there, for that government. And some who do have..have no legal other rights in EU..Like Deuschland government can not claim that is government of all Deutsche, because many Deutsche have no right to vote it..of course they can say,..that if they do not have voting right, in Deuschland.. that are because are not Deutsche..even if that is so(and that they are doing)..that does not giving EU states right, or to Deuschland state emplyees to violate us , cultural, lingustical, and other so righs, as Culturaly and lingusticaly we are Germans..But that Slovenia state and its 'govermant and EU do violate us human rights, as to culuraly, lingusticaly, racialy, we are German people, and minority now here in Lower Styria and Carniola, of what for "EU" is now " Slovenia"..As they have respect, for what ex-Yugoslavia have created. But they do not have respect to human rights of people who live and are from ex-Yugoslavia teritorry.

      But what now they are doing..Deutschland government do not represent and protect rights to German people, around the Euruope, at least here in Lower Styria and Carniola they do not.)

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    4. Of course they can say and they are saying that we are not Deutsch, because we do not live and are not from where is Deutschland..But with what rights, they supporting here Slovenian governments and governments autside Deuschland than, that they violate us then here , linguastical and culural human rights..Those governmans here..which they are now violating us..as we are not ethnicaly and lingusticaly Slovenians. I mean to ethnicaly and lingusticaly Non Slovenian people or minority people now in Lower Styria and Carniola (or from here)or in that "Slovenia", are now very vioulate human rights.not just here, but also in other EU states.and from their state emloyees or their institutions...

      Of course, if they saying that we do not exist..they denyng us legal rights and human rights in EU..and do not accepting us in EU, what they are doing some..as they accepting and did accept in EU, those who violate us human rights and denying us human rights.(They have accept in EU those, who violate us first article of Universal declaration of human rights, but not us, to whom are vilolated first article of Universal declaration of human rights)..

      EU is obviusly now EU cummunity.. and EU is Communist institution..and is not no Geograpficaly democracy now..and that would be respected human rights to people who geogrphicalt live on that territory and or are geograficalt from that territory..That is expecialy true, for us Lower Styria and Carniola.Geramns.,Where to people who are Geoigraficlay from Lower styria and Carniola terirtory or live on that territory..their human rights are sistematiclay being dening now from EU members states and in EU member states. Expecialy to Ethnicaly nonSlovenian people from that and on that territories..Expecialy to Germanic people here.





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  29. Again some words, from Nelson Mandela, which can good describe situation here:
    "If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America."
    Nelson Mandela
    Source:http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/n/nelson_mandela_2.html#3z1Gh5cbO5rlycS1.99

    (Marburg an der Drau)-Maribor:
    In 1914 the city had a population that was 82.3% Austrian Germans and 17.3% Slovenes (based on the language spoken at home);[5] most of the city's capital and public life was in Austrian German hands.
    The city, was systematically bombed then by the Allies in the closing years of World War II. A total of 29 bombing raids devastated some 47% of the city area. By the end of the war Maribor was the most war-damaged major town of Yugoslavia.[
    After the war than come into city Slovenian troops(Red Army, Titos Partisans...)..
    Exhumations in Tezno, a residential district of Slovenia's second-largest city Maribor, are likely to uncover the remains of thousands of victims of purges carried out immediately following World War II, according to Slovenian government officials.
    Slovenian officials estimate that a mass grave found near Maribor will most likely prove to be the largest in Europe, surpassing even that of Srebrenica.
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/forgotten-victims-slovenian-mass-grave-could-be-europe-s-killing-fields-a-501058.html
    All that population victims were according religion: Christians, Romo-Catholic population in city Maribor (and lived more than 1000 years here). And according race and ethnicity and lingusticaly were mainly Germanic people.(know as Jodlers( Yodlers) according their traditional way of singing).(mainly Aus Schwiiz and Bairsch speaking area).

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    1. And now descendatnce of some survivals of those "Germans" and that new state now there:
      Survey of some of concentration camps in Yugoslavia (Slovenia) in and after 1945, and creation of Republic Slovenia and "Oblast" of Slovene communist party Yugoslavia province Slovenia in Lower Stryia and Carniola and Littoral:
      Concentration camps for members of the "German national" minority after:

      Strnisce near Ptuj
      Hrastovec near Sv. Lenart in Slovenske Gorice
      Studenci near Maribor
      Brestrnica near Maribor
      Kamnica near Maribor
      Tezno near Maribor
      Teharje near Celje


      Words of Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela(In South Africa)(which could fit (on that situation also here):
      Communists have always played an active role in the fight by colonial countries for their freedom, because the short-term objects of Communism would always correspond with the long-term objects of freedom movements.
      Nelson Mandela
      Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/n/nelson_mandela_3.html#AVfKXAPbbhGl7HY9

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  30. Hoaxing against Ethnic NONSlovenians , and attacks on other nationalities and ethnicities people honor and reputations..(By some Slovenian national or state medias and some Slovenes).

    The most problem is here because is sistematic Hoaxing against Germanic people. and attacks with Hoaxing on German identety also..
    Germanic people citizens of Slovenia are not under the law protected infront of attacks on their reputation and honour.
    So Slovenia state violate them (us).:

    Article 12.(of universal declaration of human rights).
    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    Slovenia state to Germanic people Slovenia citizens do not giving protection with the law against such an interferance and attacks, right now and also didn't in the past.(So that article is sistematicaly violated to German speaking people here, till today)..
    And are under constant hoaxing against them (us)..
    (Primorske novice)..
    Many such a medias are also state sponsored..Newspapes and medias which Hoaxing against ethnic Minorities..
    Some medias here also collectivising crimes, (or criminalising and demonising NONSlovenian ethnic identities), on all other nations and reces..of course any such a deeds, are always attacks also on many people reputation and honors, of people, which are of that races or nations..which identities are demonised, or and criminalised by some Newspapers houses and medias here in Slovenia.
    German nation and race (and identety) is from some medias here all the time criminalised or demonised..Of course that is big human right violation than to many citizens of Slovenia, who are that nation, and race, and of Non Slovenian citizens who are that nation and race.(But some Slovenian state medias attacking with hoaxing, their own citizens (ethnic NonSlovenians (Non-Slovenian speakers))..and those are also not protected in that state from laws against such an attacks, of course are with that under attack also all others who are not Citizens here. also all other than attacks on their and many honour and reputation from such an medias...(ok it just citizens of Non Slovenia states,.do not feel that so much as there have other language there as official languages)..
    Of course any criminalisation of any collective term. also like terms as Srbs, or Croats and so on..is and are attacks on many people reputation and honour than through that(who are that nations)..And violation to them and us. of aritcle 12. of universal declaration of human rights.from such a medias.
    To their own citizens..and to others in EU or outside..And for that is also EU responsible and have responsibility as alowing and do not persecuting such state and their medias, which hoaxing and criminalising and demonising other nationalities and races in EU..(like here in that state Slovenia doing some medias houses, some even sponsored from Slovenia state).and that is even EU member state. Which attacking honor and reputations of EU and not EU..
    (Maybe is such a medias here, because that state was created as border state of "iron curtain" and still some sponsor and support such a medias, to creating Blocks collectively between peoples."(but that should not be escuse for what is happening and was happening here) but because of that are adn were huge human rights violations to many people here.
    And EU should persecuting any such an hoaxing and demonising and criminalising other identeties and nations and ethnicities, which, like some Slovenian medias were and are doing. But EU now do not doing that. And of course also EU is responsible for everything what happened in ex-Yugoslavia, because of its policy toward here..and because it's supporting and aliing it self, and giving recognition,..to human rights violatiors and Hoaxers,and so on..here..

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  31. Some NATO members states:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmZdvVnMXCc

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  32. In comparisement with events on Baltic sea. Here in Dinaric mountains, Adriatic sea (That is where was geograficaly state ex-Yugoslavia federation before 1991)..was just like that would Kalingrad became member of NATO and EU, and states like Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia would not.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDamo2SQE7E

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  33. Erased....

    If they do not put as in official statistic, as population in Lower Styria and Carniola or from here, that does not mean that we do not exist.(or that we didn't exist). But That is human right violation to us because we are not treat eqaul in dignity and rights with other human beings..which right is not violated to us from NATO and EU states members.
    If they have erased us from history,..that does not mean that we do not exist.(or that we do not have a history, every body has one, even if somebody do not want to hear it)..
    If we have been erased from pubic records , and statistics of population (what we have been), that does not mean that we do not exist.
    It just mean, that are doing (and publicize) uncorrect statistics of populations. What they are and were doing..

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  34. They behave toward us like that we are Ok.

    WE are NOT Ok..we are NOT well..Our property is not protected from the law..
    Our human rights are not protected from the law..
    From the same and on the same territory Lower Styria and Carniola..Slovaney people have protected and respect human rights in(from) the law here and elsewhere in EU..and from the same territory we Deutsche volk we do not have not here not elsewhere not respected our human rights..EU states making big difference in rights among people expecialy here in Lower Styria and Carniola..Here we have every year one of the highest suacide rate in the world..Every year more Citizens of that state Slovenia migrating out from here than to here..and that is how is here more decates and more..

    (We Lower Styria Germans we have to have ID and pasport of Slovenia state now, on which papers are respected human rights only to Slovenian people., from here and here, and not to us Deutsche volk )..we are many times mistreaten on that base..

    (Here was the last 25 years, like that EU have to us minamilise us human rights to the 0..while to the some people (Slovaney people) in the same land, which are only different native language and race than we are have maximise them rights on the maximum as possible in EU)..(and "agreed" that they can take us everything away, what have made also many people homeless)..and we are victims now of that, many are also homeless..(with such a process of recognition in the 1991 and later,,EU have turned everything upside down in ex-Yugoslavia or Yugoslavia at that times and now..It was EU (and its states)which from begining supported such a mistreatment and difference in rights and dignity made on ethnical and racial bases..

    So From Lower Styria some people known as Slovens are treated with respect in all EU..we Deutsche volk autohtonus poeple also here, people which we have only different native language than they and look differently, our human rights are despised..and not respected, only on the base of different race and culture and language that we have, than Slovenes have..(all ex-Yugoslavia what is also here, can not realy recovere from what was and is still is going on here and those sistem of recognitions of people and raights from EU and NATO towards here)..
    And we need help..(like other parts of ex-Yugoslavia..(Slovenia was created as one of province of ex-Yugoslavia in constitution of second Yugoslavia in 1946).and in 1991 all those provinces created in 1946 of second Yugoslavia became independent states..so also that formerYugoslavia province Slovenia, what had and still have tragical consequneces, for Deutsche volk here..which human rights are still not recognised and not respected, in EU..and not here.
    So we are now far away that we are ok and or well,,we are NOT Ok..Lower Styria and Karniola and Kuste Deutschen('Germans")..(or Slovenia Germans)..

    (But also Austria state do not protecting from with law rights to Deutsche volk Austria citizens rights from law and to Slovene volk Austrian citiznes, Austria stare do protecting rights from the law (As Slovenian volk group)...So here is all sistem of inequality made..on the base of race and nationality and native language and so on...


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  35. Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Reinhard Olt2. Mai 2016 um 17:32

    Mich wundert es, dass hier über die deutsche Minderheit in Slowenien auschließlich in englischer Sprache geschrieben und geantwortet wurde.

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